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PostSubject: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:14 am

Greetings everyone. I have some questions here and I scanned past threads but didn't saw it... perhaps I missed.

Any how, I was just thinking the other day, what are the differences between these types of violins? Entry - Advance/professional - Master. for instance:

The wood used : are the entry level violins are made from plywood? while the advance is 50/50 solid & plywood and the master level violins are made from solid wood?

The sound : Good selection of solid wood makes an instrument produce better and louder sounds.

Craftmanship : light weight, easy to grasp and play? entry level have basic violin features, while the advance and master level violins have fancy designs for presentation?

Varnish : Entry level have this sprayed lacquer-like varnished, while the advance and master are hand varnished[spirit or oil] which is pretty sensitive compared to the entry level but produce much better sounding instrument.

Types and brand : mass produced factory brand names, Workshop handmade by the master luthiers "assistants" and finally the master luthier's solo handmade violins which he would sign it himself.

Price : Handcrafted are far more costly than factory produced.

Basically those are just my ideas and not to be taken as facts. I would like to hear from an experienced violinist about these matters, or if you are a Pro so much the better :D


ABOUT THE PLYWOOD THEORY:

I am not belittling any less expensive violins since I am using one myself, but as an enthusiast I have to know and understand my instrument.

Base sa kaalaman ko sa guitar. Well ginagamit talaga ang plywood sa instrument, ung luma naming guitara na yamaha G-50A maganda pa naman ang tunog pero sa plywood lang pala gawa. Kahit ngayon, mga guitara na 7k pababa ay gawang plywood. ung 7.5k-25k ay may solid top pero the rest ay plywood pa rin. 30k pataas ang solid guitar, maliban pag may nag benta ng mas mura na 2nd hand :) depends on the dealer and buyer.

Tama ka na sandwich ang plywood, pero may plywood na gawa sa cedar, spruce, rosewood, mahogany etc... na ginagamit para sa student entry na guitar, since mas durable kesa sa solid wood, ang solid wood ay mahal at mabilis pumutok pag di ka maingat gumamit.

iniisip ko lang kung naa-apply ito sa mga violin, since may nakikita ako na 6k and below, bakit kaya ganun ka mura? dahil nga ba eh plywood? hinde ko rin alam ^^;

That and about the machine made violins is what had prompted me to this.


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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:38 am

Uhm napag isip ako sa sinabi mong Ply wood...

Kasi kahit low Class or Entry Level na Violin ay Hindi pwedeng gamitan ng Plywood
Since, Plywood is a Sandwich of Glue and Criss Crossing thin Woods.
at magmoist lang ng Kaunti ay sure na mag bubulge ang plywood
at by the Fact na Ply wood siya eh.. parang muffled ang Tunog
Wait nga makapag research kung merong Ganito..


.... After 5 minutes....
nakapag research na ako
may Site na nagbebenta ng Plywood Violin Daw
kaso di ako maniwala

may mga Sites kasi na nag Post kung ano ang Different Woods ang Ginagamit
for the violins

hmm mas maganda kung sa Violin FAQs ito hindi sa General Discussion
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:35 am

Hello.

Ah mas maganda ba kung sa FAQs, cge subukan ko doon.

Base sa kaalaman ko sa guitar. Well ginagamit talaga ang plywood sa instrument, ung luma naming guitara na yamaha G-50A maganda pa naman ang tunog pero sa plywood lang pala gawa. Kahit ngayon, mga guitara na 7k pababa ay gawang plywood. ung 7.5k-25k ay may solid top pero the rest ay plywood pa rin. 30k pataas ang solid guitar, maliban pag may nag benta ng mas mura na 2nd hand :)

Tama ka na sandwich ang plywood, pero may plywood na gawa sa cedar, spruce, rosewood, mahogany etc... na ginagamit para sa student entry na guitar, since mas durable kesa sa solid wood, ang solid wood ay mahal at mabilis pumutok pag di ka maingat gumamit.

iniisip ko lang kung naa-apply ito sa mga violin, since may nakikita ako na 6k and below, bakit kaya ganun ka mura? dahil nga ba eh plywood? hinde ko rin alam ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:17 pm

@ Talblaiser Wag k na po mag post ulit sa Violin FAQ papalipat nalang po natin ito Doon aheheh!

kung Sino pong moderator Jan ang open Paki lipat nalang po Ito sa Violin FAQ aeheheh!
DEmanding!? aheheh!

Ou nga po na Ginagamit sa Entry Class na Guitar ang Plywood But I think There is a
Big Difference in Violin

Sagutin ko rin yang Tanong mong Bakit may Violin na 3k below...

nung umpisa Curious din ako kung bakit mura noong wala p akong Violin
ang mga Violin daw kasi na 3k below ay hindi gawa sa Plywood like sa
Guitar kasi kahit na solid wood ang ginamit sa low priced violin
if it is a machine made we can manus the labor cost and also if the materials
are cheaper we can also manus that..
for Example
Cheaper Violins:
Machine made- Less Labor
low grade materials like Hide glue and Varnish,
Machine made Violins are Usually Shined by Machines Another Manus on Labor
and Machine made Violins are made Batch by Batch so More Production means
More Money input but Less in Cost..

Hand made Violins:
Painstakingly made means more Labor Cost
Hide Glue are moslty High grade(Coslty)
Sometimes Luthiers themselves Have their own Recipies of Hide Glue
Also the Varnish is usually Highgrade
Luthiers Shine the Violins Mannually ( Elbow grease) and
With a Shinning Oil that is Costly
Luthiers ensure the Sound Quality of every Violin
it means Every Violin that is made is Unique Despite of Their
Appearance..
Kaya mahal ang Violin na High grade, handmade napupunta ung price sa
Labor and Transportation cost ehehe!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:47 am

Ok, thank you, nagets ko na, ung labor pala ang basehan :D sabagay sa mga nakita ko na video sa paggawa ng violin ay inuukit, hinde mo magagawa mo basta basta sa plywood.


hinde pa nalilipat ito? balik ako mamaya baka masita ako ng prof. ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:40 pm

waw naman, ang haba kanji!
sa wood naman, kalimitan ata ng advanced ay
spruce ang top,
tapos maple ang ribs at back
tapos ebony/rosewood/boxwood ang fittings..
sa student naman, di ko alam, mysterious woods ata. XD basta hindi ebony yung itim na chinrest na natatanggal at kumakapit sa leeg mo ang kulay. wahaha!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:19 pm

Thank you Roland for the info :D

he he he, mukhang galing ka rin sa Cremona no? ganun din nangyari sa akin noong 1996 first time ako nagsubok ng violin, kumakapit sa panga at leeg ung kulay ng chinrest, at ang sakit pa sa tenga nang tunog, medyo gumanda ng binakbak ko ung varnish ^^; natigil ako nang pumutok ang tail piece na plastic... tinamad nang maghanap ng piyesa.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:25 pm

wahhaha, walang brand yung student violin ko ehh, basta pag medyo pinawisan, ayun na sya, nagkukulay blue ang leeg ko, kaya dapat me sapin, XD
plastic yung tailpiece? waaah! grabe naman yun, yung sakit metal na me 4 fine tuners na di magamit at sobrang ganit..
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:43 pm

@ Roland Kadalasan Mestirious nga ung Kahoy ng Fittings na ginamit sa
Cheap Violins.. Pero Laging Kulay pula un pag Niliha..
at matigas ang hinala ko Boxwood un na pininturahan kasi diba Cheap rin ang
Boxwood Fittings?
at ung sa akin nung niliha ko ung Fittings ko ay
ung isa Palo China..
Ayt! ahaha!
cheap na pintura ata ung Ginamit sa Dati mong Violin Roland hihihi!
may Kalburo ata ahaha!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:02 am

TalBlaiser wrote:
Hello.

Ah mas maganda ba kung sa FAQs, cge subukan ko doon.

Base sa kaalaman ko sa guitar. Well ginagamit talaga ang plywood sa instrument, ung luma naming guitara na yamaha G-50A maganda pa naman ang tunog pero sa plywood lang pala gawa. Kahit ngayon, mga guitara na 7k pababa ay gawang plywood. ung 7.5k-25k ay may solid top pero the rest ay plywood pa rin. 30k pataas ang solid guitar, maliban pag may nag benta ng mas mura na 2nd hand :)

Tama ka na sandwich ang plywood, pero may plywood na gawa sa cedar, spruce, rosewood, mahogany etc... na ginagamit para sa student entry na guitar, since mas durable kesa sa solid wood, ang solid wood ay mahal at mabilis pumutok pag di ka maingat gumamit.

iniisip ko lang kung naa-apply ito sa mga violin, since may nakikita ako na 6k and below, bakit kaya ganun ka mura? dahil nga ba eh plywood? hinde ko rin alam ^^;

ahmmm although they are both string isntrument magkaiba po ang dynamics ng violin. Sa guitar pag wala pong bilog sa gitna malakas paren tunog kasi mostly ang sound niya to produce ay my indirect contact. When the strings vibrate, the vibrations travel through the saddle to the bridge to the soundboard. The entire soundboard is now vibrating. The body of the guitar forms a hollow soundbox that amplifies the vibrations of the soundboard.. Sa violin alisan mo ng fholes wala na muted na. Second is that Ang violin ngkakaroon ng sound sa vibrations ng string from bridge to soundpost. Fholes help make the front plate of the body more responsive to the vibrations of the strings because they create a small area of very flexible material directly underneath the bridge. The f-holes also allow air inside the violin to act upon the air outside the violin, which lets the body cavity act as an amplifier for sound.. Sa guitar walang soundpost. Kinuwentohan din kasi kami ni Mang Angel about this, sinabi niya malayo kasi dati nag ecperimento din sia sa mga guitars. HE even tried to put a sounpost sa guitar. XD


Saka kung papansinin naten ang setiup kya di msydong dependent ang guitar sa wood ay dahil ung structure ng guitar. although meron din sia bridge maliit lang ung right triangle which makes it a little bit of wood independent. Unlike sa violin 1/4 ng length ng violin ay nsasakop dun sa right triangle action ng bridge to tail piece. pag plywood na violin too much hole/poores in it will make it sound dull.

Maybe for the ribs they are using plywood pero sa top and back malabo lalo nmn sa neck at scroll. Kaya lang nmn mura ung ibang violins. Most likely dahil hindi tonewood saka Craftsmanship. Mostly machine made. Easy to reproduce, application ng supply and demand.

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The sound : Good selection of solid wood makes an instrument produce better and louder sounds.
Yup2. But with poor craftsmanship, this results to uneven spread ng vibrations hence low projection.

Quote :
Craftmanship : light weight, easy to grasp and play? entry level have basic violin features, while the advance and master level violins have fancy designs for presentation?
Nah. Master Level Violins are not based on appearance. Actually this is what I've noticed Master = light weight, easy to grasp and play.
Entry Level = Frustrating. Xp

Quote :
Varnish : Entry level have this sprayed lacquer-like varnished, while the advance and master are hand varnished[spirit or oil] which is pretty sensitive compared to the entry level but produce much better sounding instrument.
True. BUt there are hand varnished violins which sounded like entry level violins XD

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Types and brand : mass produced factory brand names, Workshop handmade by the master luthiers "assistants" and finally the master luthier's solo handmade violins which he would sign it himself.
This would take years to post.
Quote :

Price : Handcrafted are far more costly than factory produced.
Of course. Especially in our country XD Supply and Demand.

I'm not a professional in playing the violin but I'm quite sure that I'm very knowledgeable about violins as a seller.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:02 am

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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:40 am

my violin teacher is also a cello player and a luthier.Ang sabi niya maple wood is an ideal one pero depende sa weather/climate condition ng isang lugar and i read an article about a famous luthier abroad,nasa Alps daw makakuha sa ngayon ng best wood to make one.My teacher once used many varities of wood from here to make an alternative one but no avail.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:41 pm

@ Reds
I think it's Because of the Following Elements That's Why your Teacher that is also
What you said a Luthier Cannot Find an Ideal wood Material For Violin Making

1. Climate- We all Knew that Philippines Has only Wet and Dry Seasons
and Maple and other woods that are used to create a violin
Grew in Places that Has four Seasons,
and also Different Tree has different tonal Value and some have
none.

2.Soil- Soil Consistency in a Tropical Country is different than a four seasoned country
that is why they always Check for Acidity and Basicity of Soils in Different
country by a Ph meter. not only that they also Check for the mineral Content.
Mineral consistency also affect the woods structure.

3.Temperature- all trees are vulnerable to temperature fluctuation, a little decrease ( cold)
or rise(hot) can Affect the growth of a tree or plant it also can cause plant
death. That is why Many Scientists nowadays are trying to breed a different
kind of tree of the same Specie to coup to every kind of environment.

4. Cultivation- These trees are hard to cultivate in a different Environment
that is why even with a success to cultivate we cannot assure the
Quality of a wood for the sound that it can produce.

Kung hindi mo maitatanong Mahilig akong magtanim ng Halaman
Meron akong different Flowering plants na sa ibang bansa makikita
Mejo mautak lang ako at binibili ko sila ng buhay na kaysa sa buto
ahihihi

hmm.. meron n kayang nag try ng Violin gawa sa Cherry blossom wood?
let's say Sakura Violin ahihih..
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:51 pm

galing galing!
cooler climates produce denser woods din daw.. kaya medyo malabong meron dito sa pinas na kahoy na ok gawing violin,, :)
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:32 pm

Paki-elaborate na rin kung ano difference/s ng Master, Pro+, at Concert level violins. I tried running a search, pero walang result. Ito lang yung narereturn na thread. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:41 pm

Oops.

Quote :
Pro+ Violins

This level of violins provides the greatest value for the price paid. At USD350-550, it fits into the budget of most people. At the higher range of the price, it is fitted with the same fittings as the Master models. But the price is kept down by the use of Chinese or Russian maple. The price is lower not because they are inferior, but because they are nearer for me to buy and so the logistic costs involved is much less.
- OVH

Concert Level na lang? Hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:55 pm

@ roland Ithink much better kung sasabihing..
It is impossible to Find a perfect tree to use as a wood for a perfect/
best quality violin. Kasi possibleng makakita ng kahoy dahil pwedeng iimport
ang kahoy. :D
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:09 am

Cheap Violins for Sale Are Not a Good Deal
November 4, 2010 at 9:44 PM

If you are new to the violin, you might be tempted to buy one of the low-priced violins advertised all over the Internet – by low-priced I mean anything under about $300.

Don't do it.

Having a cheap violin will make an already-difficult skill even more difficult to learn and will cause persistent frustration in your practice. Your violin will refuse to be in tune, the angle and placement of the strings will be off, the tone of the instrument will be squeaky and unappealing, and the tuners will likely bend and break....


http://www.violinist.com/blog/laurie/201011/11787/
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:39 pm

Sometimes (but not all the time) People who tend to start with a CHEAP violin appreciates a well made violin more. There are people I know who can make a cheap violin sound like a $500 dollar violin using only a a cheap $80 violin and a crappy bow.. It's more on the player not the instrument..

Lets face it, this is the Phil. and not most average family would spend $400 for their child's first instrument.. An average employee with average salary would even think twice for that amount on his first (hobby) violin..

Nasa choice of buying lang yan.. Good thing, many members here in PV have tried buying from offshore sellers and have a first hand experience on their products.. So for those who want to invest on their first instrument, feel free to ask the opinions of these people. They can suggest a seller who sells violin that's a "Bang for the Buck"! ^__^
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:49 am

@angus
IMO medyo malabo ang pagrarate ni Jeh pin(of OVH) sa violins nya base sa mga sagot nya sa inquiry ko dati... bale 3 un diba, concert(pro level tawag nya dito sa email sakin), pro+, at master........ meron kasing kaya mahal/mataas ang level(pro+)
1.dahil sa craftmanship or maganda ang appearance
2.meron din namang dahil sa wood na ginamit at
3. meron din namang dahil sa maker/ workshop na gumawa and still
4. meron dahil sa sound/projection.......

dapat ang ginawa nyang rating separate yung sa sound quality, appearance/craftmanship, wood used, strings included, at kung anu anu pa.. me nagsuggest na nito sa kanya, pero mukhang busy sobra..
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:29 pm

@Roland
Thanks for the insights. May crush kasi akong violin na Pro+ ang level. Pero seriously, hindi ko maintindihan ang hierarchy ng mga levels. Highest ba ang Master, then Pro+ na ba or Concert muna? Hay! Kailangang mag-ipon, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:32 pm

@Jeje

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There are people I know who can make a cheap violin sound like a $500 dollar violin using only a a cheap $80 violin and a crappy bow.. It's more on the player not the instrument..

I approve. Parang yung sabi ng teacher ko, not everything that is expensive is supposed to sound good. At saka challenge nga sa violinist na patunugin ng maganda ang cheap na violin. Sabi rin niya yun, and I agree.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:36 pm

@angus, all

I think is this is all just fancy nomenclature... pero wala naman talagang pagkakaiba.

Pero if we take the three literally (as in sa letra lang)

Pro - pwede nang ipang hanap buhay, then
Concert - pwede nang makipag tagisan (concertare - to compete)... kayang mangibabaw sa isang orchestra - kayang magsolo at makipag sagutan with the orchestra, then Master.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:42 pm

Haha, literal much? Sabagay, may disclaimer naman, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:46 am

eto lang masasabi ko. I started with cheap violin and I was happy because I was able to produce good sound on my cheap violin. Sabi nga ni sir, kung tig-isang milyon pa ang violin mo kung hindi ka naman nagprapractice, pangit din tunong ng 1M worth mong violin. Mas maganda na mapaganda mo ang tunog ng mga cheap violin, it means you're ready for a higher quality of violin (in terms of antiquity and taste of the player).

kaya minsan parang ayoko na mag-invest sa antique violin dahil masaya na ako kay Helen. Nagagawa ko kasi kay Helen yung mga hindi ko nagagawa kay purfie, ferdie, draggy, etc. Akalain mong nakapag-hip hop si helen kanina. hehe. :)
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:30 pm

@Tr Liza
I approve. Ako rin, after my student violin, kapag magaling na ako, hehe, isang magandang modern violin na ang bibilhin ko. Antiquity is not my thing, kahit pa sinasabi nilang lalo raw gumaganda ang tunog ng violin kapag tumatanda.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:30 pm

@angus

uu nga ... alagain ang antique ... aq rin ayaw ko ... yan ang pinagiisipan ko dati .... ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:00 pm

I would prefer a newly made antique looking violin... hehehe

tulad nito ohh...



It costs 400 USD free shipping..

hindi lang sure sa sound.. hehehe depende talaga sa maker yan..
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:17 am

@Ron
Ako kasi sa simula pa lang I resolved not to buy an antique violin. Unang-una, financial constraints. Pangalawa na nga yung pag-aalaga.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:27 pm

kaya nga po.. nahihirapan makabili ng violin kung ano nga ba - price, brand, etc..
syempre khit sino naman ang gusto e yung maganda.. ska kasi nga investment na rin sya...

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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:02 pm

If the cheap violin has good craftsmanship then its ok. According to jeje, he knows people who are able to produce good sounds using a cheap violin and a crappy bow.

What if your cheap violin has poor craftsmanship? the curvature of the fingerboard is wrong.
the slits on the nut are not even. the pegs dont perfectly fit the pegbox making it hard to tune. the angle of the neck is wrong. fake painted purflings.

I will not fall in love with this kind of violin. I will be more frustrated in practicing using this kind of violin.

Thanks to Chinese violin makers, we in the 3rd world country can get a chance to taste and experience the wonders of violin music. And they make good quality violins at an affordable price!!!



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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:14 pm

^add ko lang, aside from good craftmanship dapat good quality wood ang ginamit, para sure na habang tumatagal, lalong gumaganda tunog.. or let's say, mas mataas ang lifespan kesa sa atin.. hehhehe
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:17 pm

There are expensive violins that have poor craftmanship. I know someone but I am not saying; it's too controversial.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:36 am

@angus
is this "someone" a violin maker? or just a dealer? XD
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:06 pm

Parang meron din akong kilala... hehehe hindi ko din sasabihin dahil controversial din..


maganda itsura at mahal pero ang sound daw hindi buo.. hehehe secret nalang yun.. :D
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:42 pm

bat parang blind item toh, wahaha!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:16 pm

@Roland
Oops, I need to edit. I cannot answer that question pala. Maliit lang ang mundo.


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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:19 pm

Wahaha! Blind Item! ahaha!
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:17 pm

for a less fortunate who cant afford at first a high end student violin, this kind of cheap violin (though some or should i say most are low quality) is a blessing for them, they are given a chance to experience learning violin even though that the violin is pangit in totality, sound, craftmanship etc, lahat naman dumadaan sa hirap, not everyone can buy an expensive and quality one, saka napag aaralan naman yan, kumbaga, low quality violin parang barbel, ung weights na nilalagay un ung mga imperfection dun sa violin or obstacle like uneven fingerboard, bridge, soundpost, wood, varnish, pegs na parang pag inikot e parang pinupunit na yero pati ang sound etc,. pag nag advance ng konti at nakabili ng better na violin sa palagay ko madali lang na masanay sa violin na wala ng sagabal di katulad ng unang violin mo na chipipay,. siguru naman halos lahat tayo nag start sa mababa, nag start sa cheap na violin, basta matutuhan, saka na bibili ng mas mahal, diba? now na magaling kana, ofcourse you're now using high end violin, but we should be thankful to that cheap violin, if all violins are handmade and sempre it will be so mahal, do we think marami satin ang makaka experience ng violin?, haha, and di lumingon sa pinanggalingan, di makakarating sa paroroonan, pero di ko naman sinasabi na advance player kana tapos mag iinvest kapa ng cheap na violin, hindi ganun hahaha, ang haba ata ng sinabi ko? hahaha


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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:20 pm

ui blind item?!! the Who?!!! wag naman sana ako? hahahaha xD di naman pala ako violin maker or dealer! hahaha
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:21 pm

hahaha... i think there is no end to this debate ... of high end vs. lesser quality instruments...
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:23 pm

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nice !!!... ahaha... first time mag edit !!!... hahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:26 pm

im not saying naman to invest for low quality violins diba, wala naman, lalu na kung mejo nag aadvance kana at lumalalim ang understanding mo sa music,
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:02 pm

@Ron
Uy, second or third time na yan, haha.

@Michael
Bakit pakiramdam ko hindi ka humihinga while typing that? Ang impression sa akin you said everything in one breath, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:04 pm

@angus: ui hindi ah, naisip ko lang yan, pumasok lang sa isip ko while having dinner, kase nag back read ako, aun, gumana ang isip ko haha,
well sabi mo nga sinabi ko lahat yun in one breath lang, siguru dahil sa tongue twwister namin kanina sa english, nag memorize ng mahahabang tongue twisters haha, "yally bally gollywag, yolli dolli blablablabla"
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:38 pm

Wow thank you all for the information.

Kaso mas marami pang katanungan ang pumalit sa bawat na tanong na nasagot.[pero mukhang kaya ko na ito, ask na alng uli pag hinde kinaya :D]

Medyo nalinawan na ako sa pinagkaiba ng mga violin.

Wala na ako masabi pa, pero sa aking opinion lamang. Kahit na nasa tao ang paglalaro at napapaganda ang tunog ng cheap na violin, pero kung nawawala ang tunog nito pag nalaro sa labas[open air] kagaya ng bukid, eh wala lang, parang tinugtugan lang ang sarili? Hindi ko lang alam kung may technique sa pag project ng sound, pero kahit anong "CRAZY MOVE" ang gawin ko sa aking Hofner[china], manipis at tahimik ang tunog nito pag nasa bukid na ako.

"No" ayaw ko gumamit ng amplifier or electric violin, gusto ko ung traditional. Ung bago ko na violin, itong Christmas ko pa lang masusubukan pag nauwi na ako ng province.

Sabi nga ni BaroqueViolin, "there is no end to this debate" pero marami akong napupulot sa tuwing mayroon diyan na nag share ng kanilang kalaman. maraming na eliminate na question kagaya ng "Plywood theory" at "violin & guitar comparison" maraming salamat po.






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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:23 pm

Errrr TalBlaiser,

you also have to know that when you play in a "bukid" i think you mean "mountain" or "basakan/daruhan" (taniman) ... there are no walls where the sound can bounce off and "get carried around."

Here's a video to give you an idea. >>>



Again i'm quoting Baroque settings in acoustics etc... ek ek ... usually kasi they play inside Palaces and Salons ... Imagine mo ang acoustics ng isang hotel... magbabounce off yung sound waves... at magkakareverb.

By the way ... trees and plants are a good sound insulation ... durog at basag kagad ang sound waves...
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:38 am

@ baroqueviolin: Exactly my point sir, thank you very much!

Mahilig kami ng mga friends ko mag outing, usually open air talaga, dati gusto nilang lakasan ko pa ung guitar pero di kaya, nagtutunog plastic na pag pinuwersa, de bumili ako noon ng Yamaha CG111 solid top, pero napahiya pa rin, tunog lata pag ginamit sa labas ^^; BTW Classical ang style ng pag play ko sa guitar, hinde ako gumagamit ng strumming. Ng bumili ako ng spanish made guitar, doon na solve ang problema dahil malakas at buo ang tunog[enough to accomodate my friends outdoor] hinde pa ako hirap gamitin... bulabog lang nga lahat ng mga tao sa bahay pag ginamit ito. he he he.

The same way goes to the violin. Kaya gusto ko malaman ang mga pinagkaiba, mukhang ang hinahanap ko ay ung "Concert" para kahit papaano maririnig ng ilan pag nag outing :D

Alam ko na hinde ko pa dapat pinuproblema ito dahil hinde pa ako marunong. pero at least ma set ko na ung goal ko sa pagkuha ng violin, para isang bilihan na lang. Hinde ko aim maging pro, basta ma e enjoy ko ung violin sa outdoor, masaya na ako :D
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:45 am

Yup yup !!!

You have a good point there... for now hindi muna dapat primary concern pero tama ka rin in saying na you must have a clear goal and as early as now to know what u want in the near future.
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PostSubject: Re: The differences in Violin: Student entry - Advance/professional - Master   Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:54 pm

@Tal
nung nag-inquire ako kay OVH, pro din ang concert level sabi nya...
yung isang category ay pro+... so, pro nadin yung mabibili mo.. :)
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